- forresst said:No no no, not a toke. A toque. Your hat. You are wearing a toque already.
interesting fact: Some people believe the word “toke” comes from the Spanish word “toque” which means “touch” but is commonly used to denote a puff of weed. This is also, at least colloquially in Mexico, the word used for a mild electric shock. I remember my dad making a reference to people “toking” at a party and me being very confused about why people would give themselves electric shocks for fun.
Weirdly that actually does happen, but not nearly as commonly as weed.
Somehow we haven’t managed to get off of weed and back onto hats. This may be a lost cause.
- forresst said:I feel like you need a Viking toque. It would make being cold more fun
I try to stay away from weed, it’s not legal in this state.
Q:Hi! 1st, I wanted to say that I am a huge fan of your art & blog. I'm making my way through Critical Hit, I'm SO close to "Meet Trelle" & I'm really excited for her to join the Torqletones [sic?]/hear you with the Crit Hit Crew. 2nd, I was hoping to get your opinion, if you don't mind. I was wondering if it's problematic for me, as a white woman, to RP a woman of color in DnD. My RPG community right now is white boys, so I don't have anyone to ask IRL. Thanks for your time & for being awesome.
Man, hardcore question!!!! wow, so complex, I’m blown away.
Short answer, personally, I would advise against it.
Firstly, because your group might start saying/doing some racist shit with you. People that seem cool will suddenly become huge jerks when in a situation like this, they suddenly think their ebonics jokes they’ve been saving would be sooooo funny right now! Especially If everyone else is white, people will have even less incentive to watch their mouths. Oh my god, how many times did I hear some king of black joke associated with the black mana cards in MtG….
Okay logically: This is a fantasy setting. SO!!! It shouldn’t be problematic if the culture the person is from is nothing like any real culture. Like their people are not wearing kimonos, they wear, I dunno, only fluffy alpaca-y fur.
But then again: There’s a thing called black/brown/yellow face (I know you know what this is, sorry, just being thorough). There are a lot of reasons it’s wrong, the one that gets me is the sheer creepiness of it. Like “oh my god, my skin color isn’t a costume, what!” And “It…it actually sucks having this skin color!”. So ding that = no, don’t do that.
Okay, I’m guessing your goal here is to racially diversify your party? Maybe it kind of weirds you out that you’re all McWhite-white party? Does that sound right? That’s extremely complex and interesting.
Role Playing is like no other sort of gaming in this way. You ARE, essentially, writing this character outloud. And I’m very supportive of non minorities trying to include minorities in their stuff. But when you’re role playing, you’re also ACTING this character. You are being a mental visual of another race to your other teammates. I really don’t know. I think if another POC was in the group it’d be really horrifying, but then probably wouldn’t feel necessary, I’m guessing?
Are you trying to make a character that’s less like the rest? Doesn’t have the standard medieval fantasy Tolkien WASP type thing going on?
The thing is, your skin color =/= your culture. A black person from Trinidad has a completely different life experience from an African-American. In fact, the people from Trinidad I knew didn’t consider themselves “black”, they thought of themselves as Trinidadian.
So essentially, there’s no Trinidad in your fantasy setting. There’s no Ghana, there’s no Taiwan, there’s no Ireland. There’s, I dunno, the SHADOWFELL, ooOooOO, shit like that. You’re not playing an Indian person, you’re playing a person that looks Indian, because Asia doesn’t exist. So essentially, if you are putting on this character, the only thing that’s changing is their skin tone and you’ve added visual diversity (“diversity”???) to your crew. Because their CULTURE is independent of their race, make sense?
So maybe you could just make their culture more unique instead?
Trelle is from a hunter-gatherer nomadic culture. She’s an elf which is an established species. Her culture’s got nothing to do with the color of her skin, there are other elves that she can’t share foundation with at all. Hunter-gatherer cultures are ancient and pretty universal, predating any race and still existing today in different parts of the world. I used ancient Mesoamerican cultures to flesh the elves out, especially her band, but there are other crucial aspects that are not based in any culture such as Trelle’s difficulty speaking because elves are generally quiet and communicate with body language. So I eagerly gathered things up from my heritage (and Rodrigo’s heritage) but this is fantasy, I wanted to make my own stuff.
You can make your character’s background have an interesting culture that’s completely made up and not couched in racial stereotypes and real sacred objects.
Now, writing/dming is different: I think a DM/GM SHOULD play minority NPCs and diversify their cast as much as possible. because they’re creating the entire environment and world that these characters exist in. if you play an online RPG, and there are 0 POC NPC’s, it’s kind of weird, right? If you’re playing a white character in an RPG, that’s totally fine, that’s your person! But if the world your character exists in is “Whites Only”, that’s really creepy! So I think DMs, no matter their race/gender/etc, SHOULD try to make sure there are diverse people in their games, even if it means they have to act as that NPC, because the alternative is creepy to me.
….But then “only if you’re not going to stereotype” but then it’s unlikely that a person stereotyping KNOWS they’re stereotyping….
Rodrigo diversifies the cultures and casts greatly, but he’s a trustworthy, smart guy that can do that without doing racist/sexist crap.
I dunno. I like that a white person wants their team to not be Team White Power! I like that a lot. I completely understand it making you uncomfortable that your group is only white people, because it’s like your STORY that you’re jointly creating is only white people.
Really complex question, thanks. I hope this helps you decide. Wowww. How do other people feel about this?
I’m a white male and I’d have to say I’m not comfortable with white people playing minorities in table top games I play in TYPICALLY. I was in a similar situation as the asker not too long ago. I was playing Pathfinder and I looked around the table and saw that everyone playing was white. Then I realized that all the characters IN GAME were white. It was unsettling for me because it meant that the rag tag group of heroes saving the world were a bunch of white dudes. Pretty lame.
So, I thought to myself, “Why don’t I just make my next character a POC?” So I did. It wasn’t bad at first, but I’d hear a joke here and there about the “brown guy.” Of course, this was a lesson in itself. How the hell do characters perceived through imaginary means STILL go through passive aggressive racism and sometimes downright aggressive racism. It happens apparently and it’s a damn shame. So I stopped playing that character and made some adjustments to who I played with.
I later, started playing a new and different game (world of darkness) set in modern times/USA and one of the players had said they were interested in playing as a Native American. That made me VERY uncomfortable. Not only were the same issues that you have mentioned a very real possibility, but he wanted to play a character based off a real culture of down trodden<—(understatement) minorities.
So I said I wasn’t comfortable with it and we ended not playing the games anyways. I’m definitely not the BEST person to be asking, being a white male and all, but I thought it was similar enough to what you were asking to bring it up. I think the sentiments are nice and maybe some people can do a good job with a POC character, but ignorance and, let’s be honest, blatant racism is just way too ingrained in culture to take a chance on playing an IMAGINARY POC character in your buddies imaginary game around a table with some dice.
I’m just sad that I live in a very white town. If my town was more diverse my games would have a WAY better opportunity for diversity. Which would ACTUALLY solve that issue and would be awesome!
So the real solution here is to have more POC and girl players, I think they’re the best people to represent themselves, obviously.
I might be missing some major issues or points here, but feel free to point it out. I’m REALLY interested in this topic and want to learn more about all perspectives on it.
great response, dude
What the fuck? Whitewashing? It’s a danish fairy tale! You can’t just throw in diversity for the sake of it. It has to make sense, thats like if people were like “Why are there only Chinese people in Mulan?” Because it takes place in fucking China before anyone immigrated there!
"typical light hair, fair skinned, blue eyes" The only other Disney princesses that fits that description all the way would be Cinderella and Aurora. The only other one close is Rapunzel. Disney does extremely well with making the animated princesses fit the time period and area they are from. Let me show you a thing.
Alright this is Snow White. The whole reason this is her name is because her skin was as white as the fucking snow. She had hair as black as a raven. And lips as red as a rose. Snow White was originally a GERMAN fairytale. Ya know what color they are in Germany? White….
Now this bitch right here is Cinderella. This movie was made in 1950. Ya know what was going on in 1950? Segregation. So I doubt that in 1950 they would make some black fairytale princess considering Walt Disney was white and all the employees at Disney were white, and I’m sorry but in the 1950’s all the white people were racists. Yes, Walt Disney was fucking racist. But that’s because of when he grew up and how things were. He was actually a pretty loving and kind man and I’m sure that he would’ve had an open mind to ending segregation if he had grew up different. FYI Cinderella is French. French people be white.
This chick right here. Her name is Aurora. Her movie was made in 1969. There were still racist little bastards then. But ya know what, she’s also freaking French. And in her original fairytale her hair was the color of sunshine gold, and lips that shamed the red red rose.
Now meet Ariel. She is often times many people’s favorite cause she’s fun and quirky and her hair looks like a fucking fire truck. Her fairytale is Danish. Danish people are white. The Danish fairytale though? It’s actually based off of stories sailors told of seeing this girl with bright red hair and the tail of a fish. Idk, but have you ever seen a naturally red headed black woman. Cause I haven’t….
Now Belle here is the frenchiest of the French. Her story is actually based in France. Not just a nice fairytale that was made in France. Again, French people are white. But you see light hair on her. No. She is brunette! And she has brown eyes. Nuff said.
Now this…. this is Jasmine. She is not white, she does not have light hair, and she does not have light eyes. She is brown. And beautifully so. And she’s not so sweet and fragile either. She is independent and don’t need no man.She is Arabic and she looks like it. I don’t see any white washing here. See this is where white washing would ACTUALLY come into play. If they made Princess Jasmine, based off of Princess Badroulbadour from an Arabic folk tale, and made her white. A white girl in Agrabah. Nope.
My personal favorite. Pocahontas. Again. No white washing. She is nice and brown, and has nice Indian features. Thing about her? She was a real lady. In fact her sequel actually told her story better than the first one.
Meet mulan. She’s Chinese. She saved China. Nuff said.
This lovely lady is Tiana. She made a lot of ground as being the first black Disney Princess. She was from New Orleans. She’s american. This movie was based in the 1920’s and they did her right because she was a waitress, working 3 jobs just to make a few dollars a day. She lived in the slums/the ghetto with all the other colored folk. They kept it right to the time period they were representing but they also made her fa-boo!
Now this chicky is my girl punzy. She is the first Disney Princess since 1991 that was white. I think 20 years time is a good amount of time to bring in another white Princess. Disney had wanted to do Rapunzel for a long time. She’s one of the classic fairytale princesses. Everyone know who this chick was, but there was no Disney movie about her. The reason why they didn’t she make her movie in the 90’s was because she was white. She was just another, golden haired, fair skinned, damsel in distress. I am soooo happy they waited on this one too. Cause after being in the works for so long they took this story about a chick with long hair being rescued by a Prince, and they made her this barefoot, rebellious, bad-ass, sweetheart, that was magical and already a Princess. In fact her “prince” wasn’t a prince. He was a thief. And the coolest thing, so that she wasn’t just a typical blonde princess, they cut off her hair and it turned brown. So now she’s this edgy but sweet brunette, short-haired, girl. Also, the original fairytale is German, so Disney stayed true to it’s roots and kept her in a German setting.
This is Princess Merida. She is Scottish. Technically white. But still not just some American accent, blonde, white girl. She made a big leap in the Princess world because unlike all the others who are all strong too, she didn’t even find love in the movie. Who knows, maybe they’ll make a sequel a few years later where she’s older and more grown up and she gets married. Fun fact, Brave is loosely based around Scottish folklore of King Fergus.
So yeah, white washing would be if they made the beautiful ethnic ladies here just white. Alot of fairytales come from mainly white countries. Disney is just trying to tell a good story. Maybe they should look more into some Arabic fairytales, maybe some African ones. But all they’re doing is staying true to stories and lands.
I love you.
I forgot that if you’re born in a predominately white country, no matter the ethnicity of your parents, you become white. Man, is that why I’m white instead of Costa Rican???
Yeah, Disney only makes the majority of their characters white because they want to stay true to the source material!! Oh yeah, because Disney gives so much of a shit about staying true to source material.
Think about why Disney/you are comfortable with re-situating Hamlet in Africa with lions (lead by such famous black people as Jonathan Taylor Thomas, Jeremy Irons, Nathan Lane, that guy who plays Mr. Bean) and freak out at the idea of Disney possible not using white people for Frozen.
Also, the native people of that country aren’t white, you racist shits. The native Saami people are more genetically related to Inuit/Eskimo/etc people.
Kind of like how the native people of the US aren’t fucking white people either.
Beauty and the Beast is 0% like the source material other than being French (…unrelated but how come only the candlestick is the only one that has a French accent…)
Brave isn’t Pixar, 0 points to House Disney.
You’re using Pochahontas as “LOOK, SHE’S NOT WHITE, DISNEY IS JUST STAYING TRUE TO THE MATERIAL”. Wow. WowwwwWWwwwWWww. Let’s not even get into how fucked up it is that they took NOT A STORY but a HISTORICAL EVENT. The life of an actual human being and turned it into a piece of shit, nationalist masturbation fest with a musical soundtrack.
Also, since you brought up Mulan, I’ve never really heard anyone talk about this but the art style in Mulan is more Japanese than Chinese. They depict things that are Chinese, yes. But as described to me by my mom’s boyfriends at the time. “This is kind of like watching a movie about George Washington done in an anime style…”
Chinese Art from that time period and general speaking, is more ornate. The art in Mulan is done with an incredible amount of line conservatism. In other words, they use as few lines as possible to get a character across. That’s traditionally a Japanese art style thing, not a Chinese one. Chinese stuff likes simplification too but just…not in the same way. Google “Chinese Buddhist Temple” and then “Japanese Buddhist Temple” for a comparison.
Princess Jasmine’s voice actor:
oh wait, let’s look at the whole cast
wow, much diverse.
And surprise, all the countries you think of as being “white” still HAVE DARK PEOPLE IN THEM, YOU SHITS. I can only imagine how fucking mindblowingly shitty it is for the people living there to have all these assholes to repeatedly say “WELL, ALL THE PEOPLE IN SWEDEN/FINLAND/NORWAY ARE BLONDE HAIRED AND BLUE EYED”. No they’re not, you racist assholes. Surprise, the majority of people in those countries have blown hair, like everywhere else, and you’re actually allowed to exist there even if you’re POC and not in the Hitler Dream Team.
So no, asking that Disney not just make another movie about white people isn’t out of the question. It’s especially not out of the question when
1) first designs look more Saami inspired
2) SHE LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE RAPUNZEL, SO DOES HER FUCKING SISTER.
3) they did a fucking movie where Sherlock Holmes was a fucking mouse. I think they have it in them to make a movie where the protagonist has to be the same race as the source material. OH WAIT THEY DID. You conveniently forgot to mention that when you mentioned Tiana! Huh!
4) they did a fucking MOVIE TAKING PLACE IS MESOAMERICA AND IT WAS ALL WHITE PEOPLE VOICE ACTORS EXCEPT THE BAD GUY. and where it have 0 to do with that culture. Nothing. There is no “staying true to the material” whatever the fuck bullshit.
You can like your fucking movie all your fucking want. But don’t tell people they have to like the fact that Disney did the same white-story bullshit as usual and that they have to be content with it. We’re supposed to get “white” fairy tales over and over and over. And in this case, AGAIN, Frozen is nothing like the fucking source material?? UGH!
The truth is you don’t give a shit that the characters are the same-old. It doens’t bug you. But that doesn’t mean you get to pretend that people have no reason to be annoyed by it.
Your arguments are horrible.
Look, guys. You’re always going to be able to find source material where the main characters are white. Look at the big blockbuster movies of the past decade. Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings stuff, Even in Star Trek the majority of the named crew is white.
The problem is that there’s no indication that anything’s going to change. Tiana, Jasmine, Pocahontas and Mulan read more like checkmarks some times. There are a thousand appropriate stories set in China, but we’re probably not going to see any in the near future because there’s already an Asian princess. Think about Tangled and Frozen. Do you think Disney would have launched two major movies in a row with black protagonists? Seems unlikely, but we usually don’t see anything weird with two white princesses in a row because despite that streak we got into in the 90s, whiteness is still the norm.
Q:Sorry about the SUPER spoiley question. Kind of didn't register. I only remember they tried to message during the Hogba thing, and after. Guess that's what I get for not paying attention. Now, my question! What is Stagzi's accent based on? I'm guessing some flavor of spanish. It is probably my favorite 'voice' in the show, tied to Torq.
Yeah, some flavor of Spanish is about right, but it’s not actually a specific Spanish accent, just based on it.
I’m glad you liked it. I actually worked on it.